F22C (honda) in a 90 S13???

[TransformedBG]

So i wanted to post this in general automotive, but i cant post in that forum...

anyways so since everyone and there mother does an LS1 swap, or SR20 swap, i love to be different. I know this idea would require some modifications, but still its a good thought to me. I have been a huge honda guy pretty much all my life and know a lot about these motors and there reliablity and durability. Well ive been reading other forums and came across this:

http://www.hachiroku.net/forums/showthread.php?t=44

an f22C in a hackiroku... *86 corrola* (granted thats not really one) Well anyways got me thinking that the whole set up of the SOHC ka24e is about the same size of the f22c motor and transmission. It would just require a little work on motormounts and header. But other than that i dont think it would be too hard. I just think the throttle respons as well as the higher rev-ability would be a huge benifit to this platform..

Im just wondering what your thoughts of this idea are? Has it been done before?

[///Monster]

Or you could just buy an S2000

[Bow]

one of the import mags is putting a S2000 engine in an S13

Or, How to make a 240SX torqueless

[Killa_d]

So i wanted to post this in general automotive, but i cant post in that forum...

anyways so since everyone and there mother does an LS1 swap, or SR20 swap, i love to be different. I know this idea would require some modifications, but still its a good thought to me. I have been a huge honda guy pretty much all my life and know a lot about these motors and there reliablity and durability. Well ive been reading other forums and came across this:

http://www.hachiroku.net/forums/showthread.php?t=44

an f22C in a hackiroku... *86 corrola* (granted thats not really one) Well anyways got me thinking that the whole set up of the SOHC ka24e is about the same size of the f22c motor and transmission. It would just require a little work on motormounts and header. But other than that i dont think it would be too hard. I just think the throttle respons as well as the higher rev-ability would be a huge benifit to this platform..

Im just wondering what your thoughts of this idea are? Has it been done before?
Not to burst you bubble, but that has been done before in a s13 coupe and was deff not worth it. It made less power than a stock sr20 lol theres a fine line on being different and just stupid lol (my 2cent). maybe invest in to a 1 or 2jz, or a rb.

[Bow]

f22C in a hackiroku... *86 corrola* (granted thats not really one)


What do you mean by that?

"Hachi Roku" literally means "Eight Six" in Japanese.

[TransformedBG]

Nm... though i read 85... my bad...

anyways... but comparing and sr20 *boosted* to an f22c *Na* torque is going to be different, boost a f22c you see about 300whp and 280ft tq. it was just a thought.

[Killa_d]

then is still unreliable and the money spent on a F22c motor with a turbo set up and all the custom **** done and in the end you'll end up with 300whp 220 of torque, and how much money spent? why not take that money and used it on a 2jz swap that **** stock makes 300hp and you'll still have like 3g left lol, just a thought.

[iworshiplemons]

Nm... though i read 85... my bad...

anyways... but comparing and sr20 *boosted* to an f22c *Na* torque is going to be different, boost a f22c you see about 300whp and 280ft tq. it was just a thought.The 85 was the carboureated SR-5 version, am I right?
I may have remembered wrong.

[King]

then is still unreliable and the money spent on a F22c motor with a turbo set up and all the custom **** done and in the end you'll end up with 300whp 220 of torque, and how much money spent? why not take that money and used it on a 2jz swap that **** stock makes 300hp and you'll still have like 3g left lol, just a thought.


True had a friend got through the hassle of getting a supercharged S2k and it only makes 310whp / 205tq. Money invested vs say SR with GT2871R with supporting mods....much cheaper and would crank roughly the same power.

[Retail_Value]

True had a friend got through the hassle of getting a supercharged S2k and it only makes 310whp / 205tq. Money invested vs say SR with GT2871R with supporting mods....much cheaper and would crank roughly the same power.
....... And you wouldn't be made fun of.

[GamblerZ]

....... And you wouldn't be made fun of.

http://damien.webmedia.ee/lol.gif

[ANDY]

^ What the F#*@????

[TransformedBG]

^ What the F#*@????who knows..

i dont know just seems like an interesting idea. granted most s2ks ive seen boosted make about 300whp and 290tq, and rev out to 9 grand do do some auto-xing. hince the idea.

[superJoy]

more trouble than it's worth

SR20 costs less, has more support, and will probably be faster

Have you ridden in an S2000? They're pretty gutless until ~5k rpm, and even then, MEH

[Bow]

They're pretty gutless until ~5k rpm, and even then, MEH


You just described every 4-wheeled Honda made......

[superJoy]

You just described every 4-wheeled Honda made......Yeah, but almost every other made Honda isn't a RWD sports car, hahaha

[Bow]

True dat

[Retail_Value]

You just described every 4-wheeled Honda made......
Wrong, he just described V-tec. :yllol:

[MrHolister]

So i wanted to post this in general automotive, but i cant post in that forum...

anyways so since everyone and there mother does an LS1 swap, or SR20 swap, i love to be different. I know this idea would require some modifications, but still its a good thought to me. I have been a huge honda guy pretty much all my life and know a lot about these motors and there reliablity and durability. Well ive been reading other forums and came across this:

http://www.hachiroku.net/forums/showthread.php?t=44

an f22C in a hackiroku... *86 corrola* (granted thats not really one) Well anyways got me thinking that the whole set up of the SOHC ka24e is about the same size of the f22c motor and transmission. It would just require a little work on motormounts and header. But other than that i dont think it would be too hard. I just think the throttle respons as well as the higher rev-ability would be a huge benifit to this platform..

Im just wondering what your thoughts of this idea are? Has it been done before?
Do what you like, not what other's like. The f22 engine is a great race engine...kinda sucks at daily driving, but put that in a decently light chassis and away you go. The s2000's are still very expensive, and they are hefty weight wise for a roadster.

Just remember to use the s2000's rear end gearing, as it's much lower geared than a 240 (kinda like a hatchi, only more extreme of a difference I believe)
People forgeting this has led them to believe the engine doesn't have enough power. A supercharged, or even NA built f22 would be a fantastic engine in my opinion for the S chassis, from a strickly RACing point of view. Good luck to you if you try it, if you are patient and are not concerned about expenses that will arise in the initial tsages of the swap, then you have the potential to make an interesting swap.

I'm suprised at everyone telling him to go SR, it reminds me of when I used to read NICO threads. His idea is not terribly far fetched. Maybe somewhat impractical for a daily driver, but s2000s are that anyways....

[superJoy]

For the price of an F22C you could get an LS1. That would be worth it.

F20/22C is not cost efficient.

It'd be cool.

But it's just not good hp / $$$.

[TransformedBG]

Do what you like, not what other's like. The f22 engine is a great race engine...kinda sucks at daily driving, but put that in a decently light chassis and away you go. The s2000's are still very expensive, and they are hefty weight wise for a roadster.

Just remember to use the s2000's rear end gearing, as it's much lower geared than a 240 (kinda like a hatchi, only more extreme of a difference I believe)
People forgeting this has led them to believe the engine doesn't have enough power. A supercharged, or even NA built f22 would be a fantastic engine in my opinion for the S chassis, from a strickly RACing point of view. Good luck to you if you try it, if you are patient and are not concerned about expenses that will arise in the initial tsages of the swap, then you have the potential to make an interesting swap.

I'm suprised at everyone telling him to go SR, it reminds me of when I used to read NICO threads. His idea is not terribly far fetched. Maybe somewhat impractical for a daily driver, but s2000s are that anyways....Thanks.. see you have the thinking like i do. I know it wouldnt be to cost effeciant, but built for a specific purpose it would be okay..

I just love the idea of 4cyc power. Im not big in the LS1 craze, infact i think its gay and cheep. Im will NEVER put an LS1 in a forign car, ide rather pull a motor out a BMW and put it in my car.

Right now this is just an idea, but maybe i could show some of yall what its really all about. i could always bolt a k24a1/k20a2 head frankinstine up to a s2000 transmission and go buck wild, have a 2.4 litter motor that can rev to 9 grand and rwd... hummmmmm maybe ... there are a lot of options in honda motors.

[superJoy]

SR20VE is another option if you wanna be a 4 cyl idealist ;)

[xanavi_D]

not worth the time, money or effort.

[sourcandy]

I think you might run into a problem, If i remembe right... doesn't that motor spin counter clockwise looking at the flywheel? I thought that was one of the reasons people don't use those motors. You'd have to use the Honda drivetrain which is fairly weak. Interesting Idea the f22 is a strong motor and responds well to light mods. I don't know if I'd go boosted with it though.

However, as mentioned.. the expense of this alone puts it out of my pocket
Not to mention you'll have alot of angry nissan/honda owners lol.

[TransformedBG]

LOL yeah trued about the angry nissan owners *dont know about the honda owners lol we are friendly people lol* But yes it does spin opposite direction

[MrHolister]

I think you might run into a problem, If i remembe right... doesn't that motor spin counter clockwise looking at the flywheel? I thought that was one of the reasons people don't use those motors. You'd have to use the Honda drivetrain which is fairly weak. Interesting Idea the f22 is a strong motor and responds well to light mods. I don't know if I'd go boosted with it though.

However, as mentioned.. the expense of this alone puts it out of my pocket
Not to mention you'll have alot of angry nissan/honda owners lol.
The drivetrain of the s2000 is no more weak than our KA and SR gearboxes. I had a friend making decent power on his s2000 (which weighs more than you think) and had no problems with his....

I am a purist though, I saw his point in wanting the swap, but I PERSONALLY would keep it nissan . But, I respect his idea and thinking behind it. Whatever floats your boat...:blah:

[Ralphie!]

I am open to new ideas but a honda motor into a nissan just turns me off.

[TransformedBG]

I am open to new ideas but a honda motor into a nissan just turns me off.Ide rather put a honda motor in my car than an american motor anyday. *i know you say nothing about an LS1* but thats what most people would tell me to put in there.

Im just currious.. oh well.. guess ill have to put it on the back brunner unless i come across a honda drive train for dirt cheap.

[TransformedBG]

LMAO... picked me up an import tuner today, and low and behold they are building and s13k lol.. they are doing what i was thinking. Go figure.. guess im going to get my chance to read up on it.

[MrHolister]

LMAO... picked me up an import tuner today, and low and behold they are building and s13k lol.. they are doing what i was thinking. Go figure.. guess im going to get my chance to read up on it.
Don't you HATE that? But it does prove that there is enough validation to a swap of that ilk to attempt it... at least hypothetically speaking.

[txdragon]

Switch to a K-series swap then...

[Phoenix]

Switch to a K-series swap then...for glen, that would be too easy. he has already put a k-series in something.:D

[txdragon]

for glen, that would be too easy. he has already put a k-series in something.:D


Then he is understanding of the K's capabilities ;)

[TransformedBG]

and i know they bolt to an F22c transmission :)